GIVEN the hullabaloo, outcry and rending of garments over the state of Piccadilly Gardens - not least by Jonathan Schofield on Confidential - people might want to skip down to Caffe Nero this Sunday to have their say. 

Reasonable and rational debate will be best of course.

Read our article and the rants for proof of passion over the area here

Cllr Pat Karney, city centre spokesperson, is putting his head into the lion's mouth to discuss, debate and promenade the Gardens from 2pm. Reasonable and rational debate will be best of course.

He'll be discussing his 'many walls' idea plus what's happening with the fountain, the lawns and much else.  

Meet at Caffe Nero in Piccadilly Gardens, 2pm.